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石破天惊!!国外的一个20ms/s开源示波器!!

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发表于 2009-12-27 23:46:35 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
哈哈,有幸给我在一个莫名的网站看到这个链接,几经寻觅找到了这份完整的资料,哈哈,喜欢就顶一下,其实吧今天天好冷的,想添条裤子穿穿。。

它的广告:


广告 (原文件名:示波器.jpg)

DOS下程序ourdev_519632.zip(文件大小:138K) (原文件名:dsoa3exe.zip)

英文说明ourdev_519633.rar(文件大小:16K) (原文件名:dsoamk3.rar)

模拟部分的电路ourdev_519634.rar(文件大小:57K) (原文件名:mk3anal.rar)

数字部分的电路ourdev_519635.rar(文件大小:56K) (原文件名:mk3dig.rar)

PROTEL格式的电路ourdev_519636.zip(文件大小:18K) (原文件名:mk3_sch.zip)

PROTEL Autotrax 的 PCBourdev_519637.zip(文件大小:27K) (原文件名:mk3pcb.zip)

300 DPI下面的GIF格式PCBourdev_519638.rar(文件大小:148K) (原文件名:dsoa331a.rar)

元件装配图ourdev_519639.rar(文件大小:67K) (原文件名:dsoa331o.rar)

元件清单ourdev_519640.rar(文件大小:833字节) (原文件名:DSOA3_PL.rar)

The operational timing diagramourdev_519641.rar(文件大小:6K) (原文件名:mk3time.rar)

DOS下面Turbo Pascal 7源码ourdev_519642.zip(文件大小:14K) (原文件名:dsoa3dossource.zip)

windows下面Delphi源码ourdev_519643.zip(文件大小:59K) (原文件名:dsoa3winsource.zip)

Yes, it's finally here !. The DSOA Mk3 has been a long time coming (many years in fact), but it was finally published in the October/November 98 issues of EA.

Here are the basic specs :

20MS/s
5MHz analog bandwidth (*see below)
Dual channels
Optional external trigger input.
PC-Based, connects to standard parallel port.
Easy to build on one single sided pcb.
Vertical position adjustments.
Fully software controlled timebase and attenuation rages.
100ns/div to 50ms/div timebase in 1-2-5 sequence.
100mV/div to 5V/div vertical ranges in 1-2-5 sequence.

Latest News :

Well, it looks like I was way off the mark with the design of this Mk3. Hundreds of previous users said they would love something like this, and would pay anything to get it. Well, while this may be true, it looks like no one wants to even think about building it if there isn't a full kit available. A few people have expressed interest in a short form kit, but overall the entire project is a flop :(

The major kit suppliers in their infinite wisdom have decided not to kit up for the project, apparently because it is too expensive. There has been an expression of interest from other people about doing a short form kit, but this may or may not eventuate. No matter how good this design is, it is a complete flop simply because there is no kit available.

Current Status :

This is my current stance on this project, please do not email me (or call me) and ask what the current status is, because this is the current status. If anything changes, I will change this :

I am NOT selling a kit (either full or short form), the PCB, or any components, and have no plans on doing so.
I do NOT know anyone, anywhere in the world, who is selling any sort of kit.
As far as I know, the PCB is available from RCS radio, for something like A$58.
ALL of the parts are available from either RS Components, Farnell Components, Jaycar Electronics, Altronics, Dick Smith etc. RS and Farnell stock the "hard to get" chips. I live in Australia, and these are all Australian companies, I have no idea where you can get the components in other countries. UPDATE - I have heard that the TDA8703 ADC chip is being discontinued, please check this before proceeding with this project.
I have no plans to finish the Windows software to a point where I would be happy to sell it commercially. Sorry about that, but because of the lack of interest, it is not worth my while.
I am *NOT* providing comprehensive support for this project (or any project for that matter). I will answer general questions, but I do not have the time to support every aspect of it's construction with you. Basically, you build it at your own risk, the same as every other published magazine project, I don't know why people think this one is any different. This is an advanced project and if you do not have the technical skills to troubleshoot the project if it does not work then you shouldn't even attempt it.
What is the Bandwidth ?

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the bandwidth of a real time digital cro such as this project and the previous Mk1 and Mk2 designs. A lot of people keep asking what the bandwidth is, and seem to forget (or don't know) the basics of digital cro's. There is a big difference between sample rate, analog bandwidth, and effective bandwidth. I will clarify this situation now :

Sample Rate :

A real-time digital cro samples in real-time, ie, it takes one sample after the other. In the case of the Mk3 this is 20MHz. This 20MHz is NOT the bandwidth of the cro, it is the real-time sample rate of the analog to digital convertor.

Analog Bandwidth :

The analog bandwith is the -3dB bandwidth of the analog input amplifers and associated circuitry BEFORE the ADC. In the case of the Mk3 design, it is roughly 5MHz.

Effective Bandwidth :

The effective bandwith is a rule of thumb, which is basically 10 times less than the sample rate, or 2MHz in this case. This comes about because you need at least 10 samples per cycle of the signal you are measuring to get any decent waveform to actually view.

Now, to answer everyone's question, the effective bandwidth of this Mk3 design is roughly 2MHz, which gives you 10 samples per cycle. The analog bandwidth may be 5MHz or more, but if you try and measure a 5MHz signal you will only get 4 samples of your waveform which is next to useless. If you measure a sine wave you will see something like a triangle wave!.

If you want a real-time 20MHz bandwidth digital cro, then you need a sample rate of at least 200MHz, which quadruples the price and complexity, that's just the way it is.

For example, the new Tektronix TDS200 series real-time CRO's have a 100MHz effective bandwidth by virtue of a 1GHz sample rate. All the manufacturers are heading this way, as the interleaved sampling method (which allows high analog bandwidth with a small sample rate) is a dodgy way to do it, and manufacturers are finally learning this.

Check out my regular Electronics Engineering Video Blog

Here I am talking about Digital Storage Oscilloscope Basics:

原来下面有视频的,大概是服务器的原因或是别的,我看不见。。。


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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-27 23:47:10 | 显示全部楼层
自己顶。。哈哈
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发表于 2009-12-27 23:48:53 | 显示全部楼层
Cool !

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-27 23:52:23 | 显示全部楼层
老大,这么快就看到啦!

仔细看过了他的一叠资料,觉得方法挺不错的,避开了高速设备如CPLD之类的,

可以为未来坛友们开源示波器提出新的方法。

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标记

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标记

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上位机控制,很方便

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mark

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回复【3楼】ju748 持诚求真
老大,这么快就看到啦!
仔细看过了他的一叠资料,觉得方法挺不错的,避开了高速设备如CPLD之类的,
可以为未来坛友们开源示波器提出新的方法。
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粗看是基于7202 FIFO的,和魏坤第一版的工作原理基本相同。

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LZ能否给出资料的原始网站? 谢谢

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回复【9楼】fnems

LZ能否给出资料的原始网站? 谢谢
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自己动手丰衣足食,google搜索“DSOA Mk3”,第一条结果就是。

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Mark

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酷贴

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发表于 2009-12-28 08:38:46 | 显示全部楼层
太好了,直接可以做板了!

吼吼,我们公司打板免费~~!

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发表于 2009-12-28 08:39:38 | 显示全部楼层
感谢分享

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太猛了!

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很好!

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mark

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哗,实在猛。。。

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楼主是个好人

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并口版的

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酷啊

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好。。

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好东东,帮顶,目前不做

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好料,mark.

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很多快手!!!

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发表于 2009-12-28 12:32:33 | 显示全部楼层
20MSPS,看清

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-28 12:39:36 | 显示全部楼层
楼上看的真仔细,我就光看电路了,没仔细看参数。。。忽悠大家了,对不起哈。。

那个广告也不太好。。。20太大了。。。

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非常好。全下了。

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外国的EE人员怎么感觉就这么厉害呢?

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标记

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jh

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这个做出来相当不错
结合电脑  好多软件都可以用上

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顶一个

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mark

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好东西

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mark

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搞个套件

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这个很多年前就看过了,实用价值不大
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PC-Based, connects to standard parallel port.

现在 找个有 standard parallel port 的机器 太不容易。  没有 USB 没啥使用价值 。

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ding~!~~~
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个人愚见:

   楼主位: windows下面Delphi源码ourdev_519643.zip(文件大小:59K) (原文件名:dsoa3winsource.zip)

   是 win9X 时代的东西。 Delphi 在 win2000 以上不能直接访问 standard parallel port。 需要驱动程序,如 WINIO之类。

   WINIO 官方网站 http://www.internals.com  

      WinIo - This library allows direct I/O port and physical memory access under Windows 9x/NT/2000 and XP. Version 2.0
    provides faster I/O port access, better memory mapping support and can be used from non-administrative accounts under
    Windows NT/2000 and XP.

   点击此处下载 ourdev_520041.zip(文件大小:195K) (原文件名:winio.zip)

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两年前就看到了,不过找起来麻烦,楼主将其整理了一下,楼主是大好人,先做个标记以后下载就方便了!

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先做个记号吧
谢谢楼主

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mark

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在elektroda上曾有一群人讨论虚拟DSO的开发,其设计也基本成熟,有兴趣的不妨去翻翻看。

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收下了。谢谢分享

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非常好

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这是一定要顶的

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mk

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mark

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不错的资料

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这是一定要顶的

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不错!!

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mark

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有原文的链接地址吗?

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mark

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mark!

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原文链接:http://www.alternatezone.com/electronics/dsoamk3.htm
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http://www.ourdev.cn/bbs/bbs_content.jsp?bbs_sn=3706480&bbs_page_no=1&bbs_id=3053

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我只想要淘宝连接,当然作为开源产品,价格要便宜

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mark ~

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标记下,示波器~~

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看到帖子中的“石破天惊”是不是指的是孙悟空?

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实做了一下,电路没有问题,元件也好买,就是成本略高,做了一半,OVER了

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手工收藏,慢慢学习。。。

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什么时候来个套件就好了

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好资料,顶起

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呵呵,不错,楼主辛苦了,下一份仔细看看.并口还能达到这个效果,可以做为USB虚拟示波器的原型.

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看了一下模拟部分和数字部分电路图,数字部分对FIFO的HF进行了检测,貌似能看到触发信号前的波形.
98年前的电脑很少有USB的,Win98才正式支持USB接口,所以此示波器在当时也算比较牛的DIY作品了.

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不错哦  谢谢楼主

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记号 改天研究研究

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有套件就好了!

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mark

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20ms/s示波器,做单片机开发够用了吗,我目前需要一个示波器
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